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Opposition mounts to new College of Trades

Walter Pamic is vice-president of Power-Tek Electrical Services. Cole Burston

Walter Pamic is vice-president of Power-Tek Electrical Services.

Mark Brownlee
Published on March 18, 2013
Published on March 13, 2013
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The electricians at Kanata-based Power-Tek Electrical Services don’t have formal training in carpentry, but that doesn’t stop them from cutting the odd piece of plywood when the job calls for it.

Topics :
Ontario College of Trades , Ottawa Construction Association , Progressive Conservatives , Ontario

Walter Pamic, the firm’s vice-president, says he believes those days are numbered.

Mr. Pamic is speaking out against the newly created Ontario College of Trades. When its rules come into effect next month, the organization will have regulatory power over the 157 skilled trades in the province – roles ranging from hairstylist to brick mason – similar to the function of the organizations overseeing Ontario’s teachers, nurses and other professionals.

His issue is with the college’s approach to classifying occupations in the province. Certain trades, such as electricians and plumbers, are listed as compulsory. That means people can’t work in those fields until they are accredited.

Mr. Pamic is worried the college will put fields such as carpentry into that category, meaning that every time his workers need to cut some plywood they’ll have to call in a licensed carpenter for even the simplest task.

That will increase the amount of time spent on each project, he said, eliminating efficiency and creating more costs that will ultimately be passed on to consumers, building owners and general contractors.

“The College of Trades is going to kill the handyman business,” says Mr. Pamic.

The prospect of more trades becoming compulsory is at this point little more than a fear for those opposed to the idea. And college officials point out that the same process to make a trade certification compulsory can also be used in the opposite direction and make accreditation for a specific trade voluntary.

Either way, college chair Ron Johnson says transferring powers from a government ministry to the industry itself is a positive development.

“Individual trades are now in control of their own destinies,” he says. “We’re far better off making decisions for ourselves than having some politician at Queen’s Park making them for us.”

Mr. Johnson notes the potential positives of the new system far outweigh the negatives.

One of the biggest initiatives the college hopes to work on is recruitment, says Mr. Johnson. Part of its budget, which he expects to be around $30 million by the time it’s fully operational, will fund visits to high schools and job fairs to encourage young people to consider careers in the trades.

This will help deal with what the province believes will be a shortage of such workers in the future.

It will also be beneficial for consumers, adds Mr. Johnson. Anyone thinking of hiring a skilled trades worker will be able to double-check their accreditation and whether they’ve been disciplined for their work in the past.

But that argument hasn’t stopped a groundswell of opposition from people like Mr. Pamic.

A group called Stop The Trades Tax, which claims on its website to represent more than 8,000 businesses in the province, has signed up groups such as the Ottawa Construction Association to oppose the college.

The issue has also been hotly contested in the political sphere. The opposition Progressive Conservatives have promised to eliminate the college if they win the next election.

The concern from businesses like Power-Tek has done little to sway the opinion of the governing Liberals, however. Labour Minister and Ottawa MPP Yasir Naqvi said in an interview his party has no plans to scrap the initiative it started several years ago.

SIDEBAR: What businesses need to know

Businesses are not required to pay dues to the new College of Trades once it starts collecting money from members on April 8, says college chair Ron Johnson.

However, those licensed tradespeople will see their annual certification fees increase by about 600 per cent. Workers used to pay $60 every three years. That will increase to $120 each year when their membership comes up for renewal after the start date a month from now.

Only compulsory trades workers are required to pay the fees, says Mr. Johnson.

However, he believes businesses and those working in non-compulsory trades will want to join anyway, he says, since they can use it as a seal of approval that they are in good standing with the governing body.

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    darek
    - April 23, 2013 at 21:49:01

    120$ fee in 2013 is just the begining you will see increse in 2014 for another 40$ and 15% for another years, the perfect crime!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Stephen Bielec
    - April 15, 2013 at 03:50:30

    I cannot believe the IBEW supports this. 120 dollars a year for a useless bureau to enslave workers. Close down this unwanted bureaucratic waste. There is enough increasing expenses to cope with in every household. The Liberals would have received my vote, now they will never get it. Mcquinty screwed up on many other issues. And this is another one. This will line the bank accounts of those who should pick up a tool box and sweat like the real workers of this province. It is a joke for a living to play with paperwork and not experience the hazardous dangers of the electrical trade. Let this self enhancing opportunists play their game. Not all union or nonunion trades people want the College of Trades. I will work as much as I can to battle them. In times like these do we need more foolishness like this? For shame on the Liberal party and the IBEW for letting this pass.

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    hfwgx
    - April 12, 2013 at 15:29:58

    not sure if other comments went through. Just want to say that professionals such as doctors engineers and lawyers pay outrageous association fees and look how well their income and prestige is protected. Even if I had to pay, if it kept a decent wage level for my skills and preferential access to limited jobs then I am all for it. I just finished teaching intro to Canadian Labour History. Since the peak of the good years for labour (1970s) we are in a serious roll back to 1930s conditions. Precarity is up. Wages way below even a few years ago and politicians telling us they can't afford to help support society because they have no money left after bailing out banks and automakers! I think everyone who complains about the spin that Conservatives put on things must first examine closely how Ontario is where it is because of draconian policies first instigated under Harris' regime. We have never recovered from such. I do not card carry for any party because I feel all politicians are the same-they say what they want you to hear to get into office then forget about us, the average citizen. However I always exercise my vote since that is the democratic way. I just wish people were better informed on the issues-but from their own research not from what any particular party splashes up on a website to get attention (and your vote)

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    Mike Binda
    - April 10, 2013 at 16:12:49

    Try reading the "reasons for the College" as written by Armstron himself. Ex Deputy minister who has so many great suggestions to"improve the system" that it was his responsiblity to "improve" in the first place. Well he had his chance would be my first comment. Secondly, his reasons are not reasons, some of the "reasons" are not even vaguely related to the issue. This is a lawyer and politician using rhetoric to confuse and obfuscate his real motives. This is political slight of hand. He set up a government approved private income soource for him and probably some buddies. The government wants the taxes, then passes the work off to others who charge five times more to run collection agencies while delivering no service. I suspect Armstron used WSIB as a model. I went to Armstrongs release about the "mounting opposition: which "of course there is", to give fair time and get the straight goods. I came away utterly dissillusioned. If he couldn't do it from D Min of Labour then he should not be paid more to not do it. We are requested to not post insulting items but if you read Armstrongs article, boy is it insulting.

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    Dan Shields
    - April 8, 2013 at 13:07:34

    Perhaps a College of Politicians??

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    Tony W
    - April 2, 2013 at 22:28:36

    Are they kidding me, I just got my letter, fees up 600% my wages haven't gone up in the last 5 years as a mechanic we're lucky to make 120 a week now. Who are these people that are now happy that it is self goverened it appears the self governing is going to come from themselves and not us. “We’re far better off making decisions for ourselves than having some politician at Queen’s Park making them for us.” and then "This will help deal with what the province believes will be a shortage of such workers in the future".They pick and choose when to use the government as a scapegoat. I'm not a fan of any politician but these guys are exactly the same.

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    Art
    - April 2, 2013 at 19:21:59

    College of Trades - really? College of tax - more like it. 500% increase in renewal fees. We don't have already enough: fees, dues, permits charges and surcharges. Liberal tax scam!!!

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    Ron G
    - April 1, 2013 at 16:06:36

    I agree with the other posts here. This is a huge TAX grab ! This will discourage new trades people. It's like the bureaucrats are totally out of touch with the real world. This was not needed and should be stopped! This seemed to be a secret shared only by a select few. If all tradespeople had known about this it would have never happened.

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    Denis Spencer
    - March 28, 2013 at 16:52:35

    When I received my letter from the college of trades I called them and asked who the heck are you and why do I owe you money? They promply explained who they were and told me if I didnt pay I would lose my liscence. I was also told about these board members when I asked who elected them They explained they were elected by tradepeople I advised them I didnt get my ballot. You would think that if they can find you. Tell you, you owe money at least they could have found you to send a ballot. I also advised them that I was planning on retiring in BC they said to bad I still have to pay even though I wont be working in Ontario. What would happen if no one pays ? Stand up fellow brothers and sisters it doesnt take $120 a year for a sticker on your certificate, stamps arent that expensive these board members arent working for free. I guarantee the'll be making more than you or me.

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    brad m
    - March 27, 2013 at 17:27:14

    I agree wholeheartedly with the previous post of Lou's. As an electrician with over 35 years experience in the trade I see no benefits for the older worker. It's just another case of bureaucratic thievery. Sad to be living in this environment of greed and outright corruption. Goodbye and good riddance to the Liberals. No morality left in politics anymore.

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    Chris
    - March 19, 2013 at 14:55:57

    All my life I have heard about a shortage in the trades, we need more people in the trades, but time and time again nothing proper is done about it. You dont need to go out visiting high schools, try making that means of employment equal to others. No one wants in because they already do there home work and talk to the people already in the trades, they hear about the unjust and unfair treatment involved at every level of being here. Bring the system up to par and maybe the desire to choose this carrer path will increase on its own. Keep the government out of my already empty pockets!!

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      Mike
      - March 20, 2013 at 18:57:13

      Amen brother! Because of the constant interfering of this Liberal government you g people will be choosing, and rightfully so, not to go into the trades. Between the WSIB extortion and this College of Trades you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would want to get into construction. My son has seen the stress and distress this has caused in our household and chosen to follow a different career path. I'm telling every young person to run to another career because this one has become way too stressful and only profits the thieves down at Queens Park. A shame to watch this happen.

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    Lou
    - March 19, 2013 at 11:58:57

    As an electrician of over 30 years experience they tell me I need a new licence, this is after bening told I had to get a Masters licence. I don't understand all this licencing. I took a 4 year apprenticeship, numerous other courses and on top of it all a Hydro inspector comes behind me when I finish and I pay him for it. Why do I need all these licences when a hydro inspector checks my work? Oh and I.m told if I don't have a licence I get slap on the wrist but fined if I do. Money grab and by the way electrical charges have skyrocketed for the for the same work

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    Kevin
    - March 19, 2013 at 03:12:18

    The annual certification fees of $120/year seems quite hefty. What benefits does a tradesperson receive for handing over that significant sum of money? Over a career of 30 years that is nearly 4 thousand dollars.

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    Michelle Smith
    - March 18, 2013 at 19:12:08

    please do not pass this bill.....

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      Dean K.
      - March 20, 2013 at 17:50:24

      Not sure if my response to Michelle S., will be posted but the bill was passed in 2009 with few if any tradespeople actually aware of what this bill was or is about. As a 30 year tradesman, I find the five fold increase to maintain my licensing ridiculous for no tangible benifits to those who pay to support this new bureaucracy. As mentioned, it says it will benifit "the public", and a good amount of funds will be spent to entice new apprentices into the trades, but how does this in any way benefit the actual person footing the bill?

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